Ok, I know that my readers vary in Faith and Politics, so I think everyone will find this interesting. Poor Cindy 50 sent a forwarded email that contained some pretty nasty stuff (that clearly had been added along the way) but it contained alot of truth too and it sparked a flurry on email. Some down right nasty. I promise to blog about things that get on my nerves and one them is blatent false information. Here is an exchange (though lengthy) that I had with one of these emailers that I thought you might enjoy. It’s long – don’t give up.
> I GOT YOUR REPLY BACK ABOUT THE MUSLIM'S.
> I WONDERED WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFO.???
> HITLER WAS INDEED A CATHOLIC.THAT IS A KNOWN FACT.
> HIS ATTROSITIES AGAINST THE JEWS WAS WELL
> DOCUMENTED. ALSO.
> THE LAST POPE APOLIGIZED ON BEHALF OF THE
> CHURCH(YEARS LATER!), BECAUSE THE
> CHURCH HAD LOOKED THE OTHER WAY AND DIDN'T DO
> ANYTHING ABOUT THE 6 MILLION
> JEWS THAT WERE KILLED.WE NEED TO REMEMBER TO WATCH
> WHO WE FOLLOW..
> FOLLOWERS HAVE A TENDANCY TO NOT THINK.(IT'S
> EASIER.).A PERSONS ACTION
> SPEAKS VOLUMNS.WORDS CAN BE JUST WORDS.HITLER'S ARMY
> HAD BELT BUCKLES
> INSCRIBED,"GOTT MIT UNS"(GOD IS WITH US)HIS TROOPS
> WERE OFTEN SPINKLED WITH
> HOLY WATER BY PRIESTS.BOTH THE STATE AND CHURCH
> BLINDLY FOLLOWED ALL
> AUTHORITY FIGURES.PAST HISTORY OF THE CHURCH IS
> STEEPED IN EVIL.(FACT!)
> CHRISTIAN'S NEED TO GET INTO PAST HISTORYS AND SEE
> HOW MANY WARS THAT WERE
> FOUGHT IN THE NAME OF GOD.(MANY)! THE BIBLE IS
> NOT THE ONLY PLACE TO GET INFO.WE LIVE IN THE 21ST
> HOPE THIS HELPS YOU SEE THE LIGHT.WE ALL NEED TO
> SEARCH FOR TRUTH!
> THANKS FOR THE OPORTUNITY TO SET YOU STRAIT.DONNA
My response to Donna was this...
I don't know who you are so with all due respect -
perhaps you should take that huge chip off your
shoulder before you read this so you can really take
in what is below.
You wrote- "His atrocities against the Jews was well
documented." insinuates that I think the Holocaust
did not take place. I do not appreciate that. I may
be a Christian, I am not an idiot - though you clearly
think the two go hand in hand.
I would be the first to acknowledge that the church
should have done more during this time but you should
brush up on your facts before spouting off in an
email. True - the church could have done so much more
but to say they did nothing is absolutely untrue - and
pardon me, but you sound like a gal that is obsessed
The Pope at the time DID speak out against what was
going on - he even wrote a book (the name is escaping
me) about it - IN GERMAN no less (at the time anything
coming out of the Vatican was written in Latin) to
make his intentions clear on to whom he was
"The Pope did act behind the scenes on occasion.
During the German occupation of Hungary in March 1944,
he, along with the papal nuncio in Budapest, Angelo
Rotta, advised the Hungarian government to be moderate
in its plans concerning the treatment of the Jews.
Pius XII protested against the deportation of Jews
and, when his protests were not heeded, he cabled
again and again.(23) The Pope's demands, combined with
similar protests from the King of Sweden, the
International Red Cross, Britain and the United States
contributed to the decision by the Hungarian regent,
Admiral Miklos Horthy, to cease deportations on July
In the later stages of the war, Pius XII appealed to
several Latin American governments to accept
“emergency passports” that several thousand Jews had
succeeded in obtaining. Due to the efforts of the Pope
and the U.S. State Department, 13 Latin American
countries decided to honor these documents, despite
threats from the Germans to deport the passport
The Church also answered a request to save 6,000
Jewish children in Bulgaria by helping to transfer
them to Palestine. At the same time, however, Cardinal
Maglione wrote to the apostolic delegate in
Washington, A.G. Cicognani, saying this did not mean
the Pope supported Zionism."
You are ignorant in your statement that the church
turned the other way and did nothing. The Vatican
itself hid 477 Jews and in convents and monastaries in
Rome another 4,238 were hid.
On Hitler -
"The allegation is sometimes made that Hitler was a
Catholic - a Christian until the day he died. This
claim is based upon the fact that Hitler was born and
raised in a Catholic family.
However, as an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the
Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general.
He described himself as "a complete pagan".
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944,
published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953),
contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The
book was published in Britain under the title,
Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which title was used
for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in
the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist
together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck
humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is
Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions
of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of
religion was introduced into the world by
Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity
brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution
was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a
protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme,
Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of
the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a
natural death.... When understanding of the universe
has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be
convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached
the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its
structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid
of Christianity is to allow it to die little by
little.... Christianity [is] the liar.... We'll see to
it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in
conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure,
light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two
great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation
of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive
falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.
Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes
of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see,
carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old
system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was
in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name
of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the
instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.
Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating
this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our
soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one
could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more
indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a
mockery.... [here he insults people who believe
transubstantiation] .... When all is said, we have no
reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should
free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's
be the only people who are immunised against the
disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to
attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and
Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible,
and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure
Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is
concerned with translating Christian doctrine into
facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of
mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under
a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about
Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down
to posterity as a man who made concessions in this
field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can
commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself
deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do.
I shall never come personally to terms with the
Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will
certainly see the end of the disease of
Christianity.... My regret will have been that I
couldn't... behold its demise." (p 278)
Was Hitler Excommunicated?
The allegation is sometimes made that the Catholic
Church never excommunicated Hitler from membership. It
is unknown whether Hitler was formally excommunicated
or not, but it doesn't matter. Hitler was already
excommunicated ipso facto under the canon law of the
Catholic Church for his numerous sinful crimes. He
could only have returned to the Catholic faith, even
assuming that he would ever have wanted to, by having
his excommunication removed by the Pope himself. The
lifting of such excommunication is reserved to the
Pope, latae sententiae.
Furthermore, the conference of German bishops
excommunicated all Nazis in 1930, and in the 1932
elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi. By
being the leader of the Nazi party, Hitler had already
put himself outside of the Church.
Finally, it should be noted that the whole purpose of
excommunication is to help the sinner recognize the
enormity of his sins, so he will seek forgiveness. As
St. Paul wrote: "If any one refuses to obey our word
by this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do
with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him
as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." (2 Thes
3:14-15). Someone like Hitler, who did not believe in
the truth of Christianity, would simply shrug it off."
I am slightly curious at to what you consider "truth"
since you seem to know something the rest of us don't
but I can not say that I would look forward to another
email in all capitol letters. Has anyone ever told
you that, that is rather agressive?
This "truth" that you have found...how is that working
out for you? You sound pretty cranky to me.
Credit where it is due:
Clearly, I am not getting all my info from the Bible
as you accused me of. I would like to thank
JewishVirtualLibrary.org , My history teachers and the
books in my library (one being the Bible) for the
information in this rebuttle.
Consider yourself set straight.